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Just want to get your view point on being a vegetarian. I am become a vegetarian for the past 3.5 years and do get cynical remarks for my siblings and in laws..

Their view point is correct from their level of "physical" understanding. This post gives all five levels of understanding about why we should be vegetarians.
Please read it.

They do comment that we cant just reach god by being a vegetarian and not necessarily my prayers will be answered. It hurts me at times and do hope a clear answer about this.
Why do the siblings and in-laws then avoid eating non-veg on the days they go to temple or on ritual days?

It is not out of fear because, when we consume blood containing food (including eggs), our "Life Force energy ( SAL Energy ) " decreases. Even a thought decreases our SAL Energy. But negative thoughts decreases it more.

Similarly, any food that we eat decreases our SAL Energy, but more decreases when we eat blood containing foods. If we are in need of SAl energy for life prosperity (Luck) then we have to conserve our SAL Energy by avoiding negative thoughts and non-veg foods.

Like a person who wants more bank balance, would cut down unwanted expenses. He calls that he sacrifices his desires to save money. Similarly, if we want more SAL energy, we have to do sacrifice of our sensual desires. This is called as "Vratham". After vratham rituals we find that our desires are fulfilled. This is because we have saved SAL energy and have spend it on fulfilling our desires. This experience we attribute to as blessings received from God.

So avoiding non-veg we increase our SAL energy and spend it as prosperity in life. For spiritual evolution also it is best to be be a vegetarian, because, the saved SAL Energy could be used for spending and get higher "Knowledge" and not only get closer to God, but finally become divine (oneness with God) or Moksha.

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What is your view on vegetarianism for realisation?
Non vegetarian cant get it? For example a person who born and brought up in a non-vegetarian eating family background cant get it?
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Self Realization is about understanding the reality (Truth) of our life in the Universe without the bias of our sensory perception. In this regard, being a vegetarian and food-restriction certainly helps.

Being a Vegetarian also helps in Saving SAL Energy, which helps both in material and spiritual life.

If you are wearing a blue color eye-glass, then the whole universe is in blue shade. You will not know the real nature, unless you remove the colored-eye-glass and see.

Similarly, you are having the vision of the world through the sensorial perception (colored) including scientific perception.

Rishi's of Ancient Bharath had the way to True vision (Darshan) of the reality of the world, by overcoming the Ego, sensory perception.

Therefore only a Ego-less (Selfless) individual can only Self-Realize and also experience it.

See some practices here in this link .

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What about spiritual people taking non-veg ? They can progress to various levels of spiritual dimensions, but not attain Moksha or complete freedom from being in an Energy-Material-name-form.

One has to completely pure from any wants and needs to be in complete God-state (Consciousness. No Exceptions.

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Non-Vegetarian Diet


Whether a non-vegetarian diet is good or bad is a most frequently asked question and the most debated topic in forums about diet.

In this forum we clearly understand that good and bad are only based on the five levels of identification of body, mind, intelligence, Awareness and Consciousness. Why should we discuss in five levels?. Because everyone has perception of everything in five levels. Our views contradict because we look from different levels. Defenetely at least one of the levels will click for each person.

1. At the body level (Health), vegetarian food is better.

Many scientific research articles proves that non-vegetarian food causes health problems. (See for examples by clicking at the articles).

Vegetarians May Be at Lower Risk of Heart Disease, Diabetes and Stroke

Life Long Vegetarian Diet Reduces The Risk Of Colorectal Cancer

Plant-Based Fat Inhibits Growth Of Breast-Cancer Cell Line, UB Researchers Show

It is a myth to think that we can meet the requirement of proteins only through meat diet. There are famous vegetarian and famous atheletes.

Intelligent Children More Likely To Become Vegetarian

There are famous intellectuals and scientists like Einstein who are vegetarians.

Infact too much protein gives over work to liver and kidneys. Normal people easily can meet protein requirement through vegetarian diet.

Does Too Much Protein In The Diet Increase Cancer Risk?

Kidney Disease Patients: Vegetarian Diet Lowers Blood and Urine Phosphorus Levels, Study Suggests

Can Vegetarian get enough omega fatty acids and Vitamin B12. Yes omega fatty acids are in several foods like flax. Vitamin B12 is obtained through fermented foods.

2. Vegetarian foods at mind level (Taste):

Taste addiction is an illusion created by the mind. If somebody is trained eating vegetarian food, they may not enjoy non-vegetarian taste. Some think meat taste better than veggies. But it all in the mind.
Good News For Veggies: Personal Values Deceive Taste Buds

3. Vegetarian at the intelligent level ( Eco friendliness).
Several religious and spiritual teachings like Buddhism and Hinduism and Jainism insists of avoiding meat as an act of non-violence. They say that it is a bad karma (thought-action-result) to kill other beings.

The counter argument to bad karma theory is about the killing of plants by vegetarians, is also an act of violence. Yes vegetarians also kills plants and eat and also is a bad karma too. But to survive we have to choose the minimum killing. This is reflected in the science of Economics given below.

Economics of Energy is another way of looking at Karma:
Another angle to this thought is about the number of beings we kill while eating meat. A vegetarian kills only a few plants for a meal, example, if he eats a cup of rice, then that grains come from killing 5 to 10 rice plants. Whereas some body eating beef directly kills one animal and indirectly kills millions of grass plant the cow ate. This karma theory is scientifically proved by modern scientists from the angle of economics. See these links.

By being vegetarian, we will less pollute the nature. Being a vegetarian we can reduce the wastage of Energy. See scientific research on this aspect.

Diet With A Little Meat Uses Less Land Than Many Vegetarian Diets
Research Reveals the True Cost of a Burger

Karmic acts at the Cosmic Energy Tax level.
Killing plants and eat vs animals also considers the evolution of beings in the food chain. Eating meat is killing highly evolved animals is karmically bad than killing less evolved beings like plants and micro-organisms in fermented rice. Example, a mother who gave birth to child gets death punishments if we kills him at the age of 18 and above. The same mother gets life imprisonment is kills the son at age less than 3. But she get no imprisonment when she kills the son while in the womb. So the more evolved a being the more the karmic debt or tax we owe to the Cosmic Energy. This is explained as decrease in SAL Energy by eating meat.

4.Vegetarianism at the Awareness level - Control of Mind:

Animals have a higher mind development and so exhibit much fear when approached for killing. Their stressful fear and anger will naturally affect us at that same quantum level.

Our mind is always restless due to fear and insecure feeling of our jobs, relationships and possessions. This restless fearful nature is further intensified by eating non-vegetarian food. The mind and intellect of plants is less developed than of animals and so the agitations of the mind are much less in plants. Mental agitations are expressed as chemicals in the form of stress hormones which are seen in a higher degree in animals and very less in plants. Since we are interested in decreasing mental agitations for health reasons, and peace of mind, eating plant based foods helps us in our pursuit more than meat foods.

You can experiment how, by switching over to plant based foods, you gain better control over your senses and mind. It has to be very clear that just vegetarian food alone cannot bring mind control, but the point is that it facilitates it strengthening the intellect and pulls the mind towards it and away from the senses.

This is why in most spiritual traditions, vegetarian food is recommended. More than health, ethical and economical reasons, the most important aspect is that vegetarian food helps in strengthening the control over the restless mind.


5.Vegetarian at Consciousness level (Compassion):

Being vegetarian at the Self-Awareness level is that of compassion. Compassion means to others as we feel ourselves. Do not do anything that others want to do to one self. In other words do actions that we would like others to do us.

Many vegetarian feels compassion not only to human beings but also to other beings. Several religious and spiritual teachings like Buddhism and Hinduism and Jainism talk about compassion first through food we eat. The world is increasing in terrorism and violence when we become less compassionate to other beings and naturally to human beings. So first practice non-violence at the basic food level to create a world free from terrorism and violence.

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Re: Non-Vegetarian food is good or bad 6 years 5 months ago #928

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Prayas chitham is often done after doing a bad karma.
Word Praayas means to do. Chitham is awareness or even memory. So Prayaschitham means to get a fact clear in Awareness.

We cannot reduce bad karma. A karma done cannot be undone. But the best repentance is to put in the awareness not to do it again. That will prevent future repetition of bad karma.

So here it means that try to reduce the circumstances that will lead to killing. If that is in the awareness surely these karmas can be prevented.

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What if somebody happen to kill an insect or hurt somebody without his knowledge of his senses? What has to be done in this case in order to reduce the effect of the bad karma occurred?
Why not to kills cows?

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We have to make children understand the structurality and functionality of God in simple examples.

God is at functional level in us in four levels of body, mind, intelligence and awareness and structualy as Consciousness.

So when thieves comes, we need to respond to them and best is to use all the four tools accordingly based on the situation.

Can you all bring examples to makes this clear.

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Re: Non-Vegetarian food is good or bad 6 years 6 months ago #535

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My daughter asked, How do we respond to thieves or any evil guys when they come and attack us considering presence of GOD in everyone?

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How did they get the idea of sacrificing animals in yagas? Is there any documentation for this procedure?

My perception -

Many mentioned that it has been documented and there are many pictures in caves, temples etc showing someone cutting animals and sometimes humans for rituals. Even in Lalitha Sahasranamam there is a name "Mamisa Priyayey".

If we step back a bit, we can see things in a different way. There is a saying "A Picture is worth 1000 words", so during the ancient times people have used pictures so that message can be understood by people speaking any languages, else the message needed to be translated in so many languages which will be a time consuming process.

"For example sacrifice your ego during yaga" as cutting a buffalo (Mahisasura) in yaga, it means that during yaga we are suppose to sacrifice our ego, but instead it has been taken literally as sacrificing a buffalo. Like this they have used many images to convey so many messages assuming that we people will understand the message behind it.

Every animal picture has a significant message, try to understand the symbolism.

Let us understand our human body and the actual meaning of food and feed what our body actually needs instead of dumping things into our body.

By eating the right food which body needs increases the awareness of an individual.

If every organ in our body can speak the language of the individual, it might be much more easy :-)

Listen to your organs before eating.

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May be it would have started In ancient India, when animals were given as a sacrifice during Yagas like Ashwamedha or Gomedhayaga and offered for Naivedya and prasadam...

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How did this non vegetarian eating habit started? Any views???.

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I was a Non-vegetarian, now shifted to vegetarian diet from the past 2yrs and enjoying its benefits. I would definitely say with experiences that say “NO to Non-Veg”

1.My physical health has significantly improved.
2.There is good control over my senses and I don’t crave for its taste anymore.
3.The thought of killing innocent animals is always there whenever I see meat and now don’t even feel like going closer or looking at raw meat.
4.There is good control over my mind and no more mood swings or depression symptoms. There is good concentration on whatever things I do.
5.I am able to be in the state of awareness all the time. I am developing lot of interest on the spiritual side too.

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Answer can be found by asking a question to yourself......if like the insect (as a human being) you landed up in a foreign place. Will you think it is fair to be killed just because you lost your way...wont you be preferred to be taken out?

Suppose you harm somebody there in the act of protecting yourself....is it fair to be killed for that act or again you be taken to your own habitat?.

Always the answer comes when you connect yourself to the problem you want to solve.

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excessive non veg food intake is bad. Most of these foods are devoid of fibre and are high in bad cholesterol.
Lots of chemicals are used as preservativesin non vegetarian food for processing and storage which are again harmful to body.Non veg foods also require lots of digestive enzymnes which means the body would require excessive supply of digestive enzymes to ko promote the digestion of these foods.
Bottom line.Would not recommend if can be avoided.

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At a spiritual level various articles quote non vegetarian foods does increase you tams level which is inertia and ignorance.

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Talking about showing compassion towards all creatures, what do we do when we find insects in our house or when a mosquito bites us? Do we treat it compassionately by removing it carefully and putting it outside in the backyard or just kill it when it bites us?

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Non-Vegetarian Diet
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Whether a non-vegetarian diet is good or bad is a most frequently asked question and the most debated topic in forums about diet.

In this forum we clearly understand that good and bad are only based on the five levels of identification of body, mind, intelligence, Awareness and Consciousness. Why should we discuss in five levels?. Because everyone has perception of everything in five levels. Our views contradict because we look from different levels. Defenetely at least one of the levels will click for each person.

1. At the body level (Health), vegetarian food is better.

Many scientific research articles proves that non-vegetarian food causes health problems. (See for examples by clicking at the articles).

Vegetarians May Be at Lower Risk of Heart Disease, Diabetes and Stroke

Life Long Vegetarian Diet Reduces The Risk Of Colorectal Cancer

Plant-Based Fat Inhibits Growth Of Breast-Cancer Cell Line, UB Researchers Show

It is a myth to think that we can meet the requirement of proteins only through meat diet. There are famous vegetarian and famous atheletes .

Intelligent Children More Likely To Become Vegetarian

There are famous [/url] intellectuals and scientists like Einstein who are vegetarians.


Infact too much protein gives over work to liver and kidneys. Normal people easily can meet protein requirement through vegetarian diet.

Does Too Much Protein In The Diet Increase Cancer Risk?

Kidney Disease Patients: Vegetarian Diet Lowers Blood and Urine Phosphorus Levels, Study Suggests

Can Vegetarian get enough omega fatty acids and Vitamin B12. Yes omega fatty acids are in several foods like flax. Vitamin B12 is obtained through fermented foods.

2. Vegetarian foods at mind level (Taste):

Taste addiction is an illusion created by the mind. If somebody is trained eating vegetarian food, they may not enjoy non-vegetarian taste. Some think meat taste better than veggies. But it all in the mind.
Good News For Veggies: Personal Values Deceive Taste Buds



3. Vegetarian at the intelligent level ( Eco friendliness).

Several religious and spiritual teachings like Buddhism and Hinduism and Jainism insists of avoiding meat as an act of non-violence. They say that it is a bad karma (thought-action-result) to kill other beings.

The counter argument to bad karma theory is about the killing of plants by vegetarians, is also an act of violence. Yes vegetarians also kills plants and eat and also is a bad karma too. But to survive we have to choose the minimum killing. This is reflected in the science of Economics given below.

Economics of Energy is another way of looking at Karma:
Another angle to this thought is about the number of beings we kill while eating meat. A vegetarian kills only a few plants for a meal, example, if he eats a cup of rice, then that grains come from killing 5 to 10 rice plants. Whereas some body eating beef directly kills one animal and indirectly kills millions of grass plant the cow ate. This karma theory is scientifically proved by modern scientists from the angle of economics. See these links.

By being vegetarian, we will less pollute the nature. Being a vegetarian we can reduce the wastage of Energy. See scientific research on this aspect.

Diet With A Little Meat Uses Less Land Than Many Vegetarian Diets

Research Reveals the True Cost of a Burger

Karmic acts at the Cosmic Energy Tax level.
Killing plants and eat vs animals also considers the evolution of beings in the food chain. Eating meat is killing highly evolved animals is karmically bad than killing less evolved beings like plants and micro-organisms in fermented rice. Example, a mother who gave birth to child gets death punishments if we kills him at the age of 18 and above. The same mother gets life imprisonment is kills the son at age less than 3. But she get no imprisonment when she kills the son while in the womb. So the more evolved a being the more the karmic debt or tax we owe to the Cosmic Energy. This is explained as decrease in SAL Energy by eating meat.


4.Vegetarianism at the Awareness level - Control of Mind:

Animals have a higher mind development and so exhibit much fear when approached for killing. Their stressful fear and anger will naturally affect us at that same quantum level.

Our mind is always restless due to fear and insecure feeling of our jobs, relationships and possessions. This restless fearful nature is further intensified by eating non-vegetarian food. The mind and intellect of plants is less developed than of animals and so the agitations of the mind are much less in plants. Mental agitations are expressed as chemicals in the form of stress hormones which are seen in a higher degree in animals and very less in plants. Since we are interested in decreasing mental agitations for health reasons, and peace of mind, eating plant based foods helps us in our pursuit more than meat foods.

You can experiment how, by switching over to plant based foods, you gain better control over your senses and mind. It has to be very clear that just vegetarian food alone cannot bring mind control, but the point is that it facilitates it strengthening the intellect and pulls the mind towards it and away from the senses.

This is why in most spiritual traditions, vegetarian food is recommended. More than health, ethical and economical reasons, the most important aspect is that vegetarian food helps in strengthening the control over the restless mind.


5.Vegetarian at Consciousness level (Compassion):
Being vegetarian at the Self-Awareness level is that of compassion. Compassion means to others as we feel ourselves. Do not do anything that others want to do to one self. In other words do actions that we would like others to do us.

Many vegetarian feels compassion not only to human beings but also to other beings. Several religious and spiritual teachings like Buddhism and Hinduism and Jainism talk about compassion first through food we eat. The world is increasing in terrorism and violence when we become less compassionate to other beings and naturally to human beings. So first practice non-violence at the basic food level to create a world free from terrorism and violence.
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