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Why God created this Universe? 8 years 6 months ago #1062

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Dear Kasul,
Very good points you have raised. You have given a beautiful answer is that creation is dividing time intervals and space. So creation happens when there is a division of time and space. Right?.
Now the question remains Why should God divide time and space. Is God lacking something?.

how did this agnyana(lack of knowledge) came there is no answer....

The Uni5 methodology of getting answer is to Self-Connect. Only in Self Connectivity knowledge dawns and ultimately the Self only has to know it. So self connectivity is good.

For discussion, let us take the example of going and watching a movie. Then in the movie the hero is chased by the villan. Your heart pounds and then sit erect anxious of wanting to know what will happen.

My question is, you know everything about a movie, then why did you have anxiety problems while watching the movie,?. Where did that agnyana come?. Who created that Agyana in you?

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Why God created this Universe? 8 years 5 months ago #1063

GOD is complete satchidananda.. he does creation etc for our sake only.. and its just playful act for him, no gain or loss for him. Time and space required for us, he is beyond both.
I agree with you about getting all answers when self realization happens till then one or the other question will remain irrespective of how much we read or discuss... Thats why they say knowledge has to be experienced, it cant be taught.

most of my thoughts are influenced/learnt from Poojya Bannanje Govindacharya's pravachanas ok, so anything good comes is because of him, anything nonsense is because of my inability to understand and reproduce.

to answer your question about movie..... number 18 has special value in our philosophy mahabharata has 18 parvas, bhagavad geeta 18 chapters etc.. in this 18.. number 16 is soul, 17 is prakruthi(lakshmi, sakthi), 18 is bhagavantha. soul is enveloped by 15 sheaths
1) shradde fence - environmental,genetics influence on our behaviour
2-6) pancha bootha fence
7) indriyas - 5 karmendriya, 5 gnanendriya
8) anthakarana- mind, intellect, chitta
9) food fence
10) power
11) tapaha - thoughts/plans to meet our desires
12) mantra - words to meet our desires
13) karma - deeds we do to meet desires
14) possessions - both material as well as relatives,wife, son etc
15) name and fame..
soul is so strongly covered by these fences we never think/act beyond these.. so in case of movie watching also though my conscious mind knows everything is just an act, my unconscious mind which is much much stronger and not under my control as of now pumps up emotions and i get anxious.. one more point is human actions driven by emotions rather than intellect. so in this case also though intellect knows its just a play heart/emotion wouldnt get controlled.

now the question.. why prakrithi has put 15 fences to souls?? to build awareness which was lacking in souls. why souls was inert/dormant in first place? there is no answer .. there are so many things for which there is answer isnt it? where does god come from? chicken came first or egg ? in case of earlier answer in this topic it stopped at need of consiousness.. why need is there? no answer isnt it?

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Why God created this Universe? 8 years 5 months ago #1064

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Dear Kasul,
Dont worry about your answers are right and wrong. We are only discussing so that first we understand and then we put in practice and then experience it. It is a simple logic. Like first learning to drive a car. First you understand the theory of things to operate. Then you sit in the seat and start to practice and finally you experience it. same with spiritual knowledge.First use intelligence to understand it logically, then practice it simultaneously and then experience. This is why saint says it cannot be taught but experienced. Infact nobody even can teach you how to balance the steering in a car. Then can say turn this way that way, finally you experience it yourself.

The question about movie was simple. I wanted you to come up with the simple answer, when a knowledgeable person goes to see a movie, why does he get affected by a unreal movie?

Answer without using soul and its complex theories. Just simple answer. Every one who goes to see a movie is not an ignorant person. They are knowledgebale in that the movie is unreal, the actors also have only acted and finally that is projected on the screen is only a shadow play. Then when the movie starts, what makes us be anxious, what makes us cry when the characters cry in the movie. How did the knowing this real knowledgebale audience suddenly become ignorant? This is my question. You feel and write please it here.

This will answer the first question, even an all knowing God can become ignorant (just for discussion) and become a finite soul(s). All answers will follow from this discussion to understand intellectually. Then you have to practice in life and then you experience the reality.

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Why God created this Universe? 6 years 3 months ago #1928

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Can we think out of the box and see if that helps us to understand things better?.
Please take the same analogy of water drops coming out of ocean, instead of ocean forcing water to go out of ocean to understand God and creation. This means, God is the ocean and we are water drops.

God (ocean) did not forcefully create water drops to form and go and fall as rain and then flow as streams and rivers and stagnant lakes. God (Ocean) is unconditional love (this means no likes and dislikes). (Keep this only for analogy).

The ocean doesnot care (not affected) if the water drops do not come back to the ocean, but undergo repeatedly as rains and falling in red soil and get color of red and falls in black soil and get black color or fall in artic lands and remain as colorless snow flakes.

The same way God does not care (unaffected) whatever colors we undergo by taking birth on Earth or in any other planet. This is free will.

Like the ocean doesnot care if water droplets call Ocean as Ocean or Sagar or meer, or oKAYanus.God doesnot care (unaffected) if you call God as Yehowah, Allah, Buddha, Rama, Krishna etc.

Some water droplets understand this cycle of birth and death (Evaporation and condensation) and want to merge with ocean. When a black colored, red colored, pink colored water droplet cries about their impure colors (sin), the Truth realized water droplets says , your soul (nature of true self) is only water (ocean nature). You just have to merge with Ocean, that is your purpose of life. This is your relationship with Ocean (God). This is your service to ocean (god).

Hope this analogy is logical, does not contradict to science or any religion. This is "Selftuality". www.uni5.co/index.php/en/selftual-2.html

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Why God created this Universe? 6 years 3 months ago #1929

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Life the creation of the universe and all other things happen by chance. Nothing more. No God or any super-being.

I dont see anything comes by chance....it is all cause and effect. The theory of spontaneous generation synthesized by Aristotle, typically, the idea was that certain forms such as fleas could arise from inanimate matter such as dust, or that maggots could arise from dead flesh...... is disproved by recent science.

Nobody can pinpoint to anything that does not have a cause and effect. So there is nothing "by chance or spontaneous". It is all cause and effect. An effect becomes cause for the next effect and it is cyclical. Good news is that the cycle can be broken.

Modern science takes the path of Aristotle and Plato.

Ancient Indian (Bharath) science is based on cause and effect theory and not on Spontaneous creation or a God sitting in heaven and creating and controlling everything.

Ancient Indian Science is about cause and effect relationship in everything, including creation. The cause and effect cannot be separated. The cause evolves and becomes the effect. If you take this logic it resonates in every action and every being.

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