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Does God Exist? 12 years 8 months ago #2

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Existence of God has been debated for centuries. Very often it ends in fight or war and rarely in peace. We have advanced in Science and Technology and have understood evolution, big bang, string theory and have many scientist like Stephen Hawking, Richard Dawkins disprove God.

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Let us examine what a atheist, scientist, religious leaders and spiritual talk about God. What is that they argue, prove and disprove. Is God a delusion of the mind?. Is it rational or irrational to think of God?. All these are answered in this Universal pattern Uni5 method. We understand that it ends in fight when it is debated from different levels. When discussed at the same level it ends in peace. We bring here the five levels commonly at which God is perceived.

1. Body Level: No body has so far been able to show to others God, in a particular form or image, or a person that the eyes can perceive or a sound that could be heard or a aroma to be smelled, or an invisible that could be touched or tasted by tongue.

Since there are people who consider that something exists only if we perceive with the body's five sense organs, they deny God. They are correct there is no God that is in a body form. This is the basis of atheism.
Cause of conflict: Since atheist demand theist to show God in a physical form, it leads to conflict.

2. Mind Level. There are a few who have not seen God in physical form , but have a emotional feeling. This is the basis of religions. The feeling could be due to fear of a higher power. Or it could be respect of a higher power. It could be due to a love for a higher power. For these people even though they dont physically see the higher power, they feel good about or find peace when they emotionally feel about God.
Cause of Conflict: Since the emotional feeling differs from person to person, there is a conflict among different religious groups and also within the religious groups about the concept of God. This personal views and interpretation of God causes religious wars. If all the religious people understand that their view of God is only at the emotional feeling level, then all the conflicts will go away. Religious conversions are only imposing one's emotional concept of God to another. Conversions are mostly an emotional marketing tool to sell their idea to others for personal benefits or satisfaction.

Anything to do with the mind level are diverse. Animals do not exercise the mind choices. So they dont have rivalry over the concepts. Example a cow does not have a problem eating grass the whole life and does not mock at another animal eating berries.

Whereas in human, because we exercise more of the diverse mind choices , we have variety of food, variety of color clothes to wear, variety of cars, soaps, pens, shoes, etc. No body can say their food is the best, their color choice is the best. It is an individual taste.

Religion is also an individual taste or concept of perceiving God. So no religion is better than the other. It is just an individual choice only. Like all foods generally converted to energy, all religions help Man to understand they are something than a mere "physical body".

3. Intelligence level: Scientist go beyond the individual taste and look for God that is universal for all. So they see God in the form of laws that govern nature. Their laws are universal to all whether one is an atheist, or a religious person or animal, plant or a micro organism. Science is elevating man to look beyond than a mortal body and a choice making emotional machine. Science helps to expand the intelligence of man.
Conflict: Science however has limitations and wins over the conflicts of religious people, because their level of view is more than the body and mind. However, they are many blind alleys were Science confronts especially in defining purpose of life or creation of this Universe.

All the views of Atheist, Religious and Scientific are biased because they have a pre-conceived notion of God and brings to prove it or disprove it.

A neutral view is from Spiritual is not based on physical, mental or intellectual reality.
4.Awareness Levels: People who are in Awareness level (Spiritual) who has transcended the identity to body level, mind level, intelligence level, perceive God in the form of Awareness within themselves. The God they perceive is not a physical body or emotional being or an intelligent form, but Awareness. They use technologies like Yoga and meditation to identity this Awareness.
Conflicts: Spiritual people have conflicts within themselves when they cannot find the Universal Awareness.

5. Consciousness Level: At the Consciousness level, an individual identifies to the Universal Awareness. There is no Self identity and this way the individual is at the Consciousness level finding freedom in thoughts, which is experienced as Ananda or Eternal bliss. This an unconditional love state. This is a conflict free Zone, because from this level, one can see all levels and all conflicts and can only smile at the limited perceptions of the physical world and physical life.

At this highest level, the Consciousness person understands that there is only God and nothing else in eternity. It is this one God that are perceived in five different forms by people at five different ways. Like one electric current is what appears as light in an electric bulb, appears as sound in a music system, grinds fruit s to juice in a blender, heats the electric stove and blows as wind in a fan. Here we fail to distinguish the functionality and personality of God. This is the cause for confusion and conflicts with all different five views of people and claim they are only right and their path is only right.

God when identified as individual Self, become Awareness or Energy. When this Energy functions with laws, Scientists, perceive that limited laws only and the religious person perceives in the form of emotions and an atheist in physical forms. This is very similar to the five men and the elephant .

Our attempt through this discussion is to unify everyone to understand the only Truth (Consciousness) and find peace within themselves.

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Re: Does God Exist? 12 years 2 months ago #493

I always have fear of God. I think if I do not go to temple or pray a particular idol of God, I will be punished. So I feel unhappy and so not able to sleep. I also fear to talk to my friends, fearing that I will asked to go to temples. I was taken to psychiatrist and now I am on pills. I really want to get out of it. Please help me how to get rid the fear of god and be happy.

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Re: Does God Exist? 12 years 2 months ago #494


You are not the only one facing this issue, there are so many. I'm not telling this so that you feel better that others also has this problem. All the people who are facing this issue are victims of the current teaching system (Either by parents or teachers).

I was also a victim for this system and had this fear factor about God. But after undergoing some intensive surgery (not medical, don't worry ha ha ha), the fear factor has gone and now God is just bliss.

You also seem to be a victim to this system. But you have taken the right step in asking for help and inquiring. But in order to receive help or answers, you need to understand it will not be a one way direction (giving), it should be a two way communication (receive). If someone keeps giving and if it is not received then it will be of no use to the receiver.

Your statements clearly shows that you understand that fear and unhappiness is not something God is suppose to create. But somehow these factors went inside you and eventually you are suffering. Now you wanted to take these factors out of you. In order to do that as in medical practice, we need to go to the root cause and take this factor out, instead of giving just temporary relief.

Let us go through few questions and then we will come to a solution. Try to answer on your own instead of asking others or googleing :-)

1. What is God as per your understanding?
2. Why do you pray as per your understanding?
3. Whom do you think is responsible for your situation of not getting sleep, taking pills, going to doctors?

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Re: Does God Exist? 12 years 2 months ago #525

It is highly explanatory a note..great

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Re: Does God Exist? 12 years 2 months ago #532

actully i dont know about god .can you please explian me.

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Re: Does God Exist? 12 years 2 months ago #537


This is like a patient going to doctor and telling it is paining. When the doctor asks where it is paining, the patient replies I don't know. I'm sure you don't want the doctor to treat the eyes when the pain is actually in the leg.

Don't feel whether your perception is right or wrong. My perception might be the stupidest thing or might be smartest thing. But until we try we don't know. But when you put forward your perception be ready to learn.

But I will tell a short conversation which I had with couple of my friend's kids recently.

I: What is is God?
Kids: God is the superior power of everything and it is omnipresent blah blah blah (Similar to text book definition)
I: Is God so complex, how can you explain to someone who doesn't understand the terms you use. Can you explain it in a simple manner.
Kids: God is everything.
I: Does god exsits?
Kids: Yes, it is everywhere.
I: O.K Let us make this topic a bit simple and then do connection.
Kids: O.K
I: Does your body exisits?
Kids: Laughing, what kind of question is this, of course everybody has the body.
I: Can you show me my body?
Kids: This is your body (Pointing to my hand)
I: This is my hand. I was asking for my body.
Kids: Hand is a part of your body.
I: But I want to see my body, not my hand.
Kids: How can that be, the body has all the parts.
I: So is my understanding is right if I say. Body is group of parts.
Kids: Yes
I: So there is nothing called body, this is the term which is used to define the group of parts combined together in a systematic way. Can I say this now.
Kids: hmmmmm Yes.
I: So if this is the case, can I say there is nothing called body by itself.
Kids: hmmmm kind of...
I: o.k Let us go a bit deep. Could you show me where is my hand
Kids: Here it is (Pointed to my palm), meanwhile another kid said no no, this is palm...(kids started to search for hand) and then said, this is similar to body, there is nothing called hand, it is a group of sub parts.
I: Excellent
I: Can we go a bit more deep.
Kids: yes
I: Could you show me where is my palm
Kids: oooooohhh it is once again a term used to define a group of sub parts like bones, flesh, etc..,
I: Great, so can we go a bit deeper.
Kids: We see where you are going now.
I: Where?
Kids: You are going to say none of them exisits.
I: But is it true or false.
Kids: Ture and False, because it is here.
I: Exactly now connect this to "GOD" and see what answer you can get for these questions. Does God exisits. And what it is? Where it is? What it is doing now?

These kids pondered on this few days and came back with an excellent understanding of God.

This was just a brief summary of the discussion, but we discussed more in detail about body, went to CELL, then to DNA, then to ATOM etc.,

Let me know your thoughts.

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