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Consciousness and Energy 7 years 3 months ago #1775

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This thread answers questions from many friends.

So energy is negative you say and Consciousness is positive
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Energy has qualities of negative (less) and positive (more) and neutral. In sanskrit it is known as Tamasic, Rajasic and Satvic.

Consciousness is not Energy and has not such qualities of positive, negative and neutral.


I have some more questions.
1) What happens at death then when energy is gone do we lapse back to Consciousness?


While living we are Self-Awareness Energy (Energy flow in and out) expressing impressions using a body, mind and intelligence. After death, the Tripura (Body, mind and Intelligence) is dissipated and there is only Awareness (Pretha or Ghost). This Pretha or Ghost cannot be perceived through any senses because it is only in Energy form. Like a microwave signal leaves one cell phone and reaches another cell phone, cannot be perceived in sensorial form.

2) What is the origin of energy? Consciousness?

Consciousness has no origin. It is never created, never destroyed. Energy is created in time and space. In other words, Consciousness in time and Space is Energy.

3) Who made the discovery of this energy Consciousness paradigm? Many ancient Bhaarath Rishi's and Rishikas (Both male and female scientists) . Vedas are scientific books and not religious books, because all religious books are the opinion of one male person. One single Rig Veda, is a collection of finding of more than 120 scientist, of which around 30 are women.

Our time, we lost many such scientific studies. One left is Kapilacharya 's Sankhya Karika. He has used Purusha for Consciousness and Prakrithi for Energy or Awareness.


4) Why are we obsessed with suffering in this world suffering and joy are in equal measure. Action/reaction equal and opposite paradigm. What is the benefit of lapsing back to Consciousness ? .

Energy wants to settle at its lowest energy state. It Absolute terms, Energy wants to get back to the State of Consciousness. This is why Energy from its original state of big bang, it is trying to get bigger and bigger and be content. This is the cause for evolution and not survival of fittest. Kapilachrya says that inherent nature of Energy to be infinite is seen in every atom.

A chemical molecule is a collection of atoms and a atom is a collection of sub atmoic particles. A bacterial cell is a collection of polymers. A human body is a collection of trillions of cells. You will see a pattern of growing big and big- embracing...

A Human's Self-Awareness when embraces everyone without any distinction evolves to the highest Energy state which undergoes a Phase transistion to Consciousness called Moksha or Salvation ( Reference : Universal Self Energy pattern- 2014 ).

I am thinking being in energy or life form is like a fluctuation graph while being is Consciousness is flat line Similar to the pattern of a bacterial cell thinking about a Human cell.

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Consciousness and Energy 7 years 3 months ago #1776

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Honestly, I don't really know what I am looking for. An Indian guru, Nisargadatta Maharaj says something like, "stop seeking".
He meant to stop seeking, but not stop to know the Seeker.

In fact a few days ago, the movie matrix was on tv again. Whenever I watch it, I get some new inspiration based on the state at that moment. This time, I took the words of Oracle on me. She says when she met Neo, "Sorry, kid. You got the gift, but it looks like you're waiting for something."

One of the weakness of spiritual aspirants (including Neo in the movie) is to wait for a miracle or a person to convince them of a supernatural element...a Aha.... Unfortunately, the biggest mircale and surprise is to find how ignorant was oneself, in not knowing one's own "Self".

Really, I am waiting for something. I don't know what it is, but I know what I am expecting from it. I am looking for an ultimate A-HA moment.

Maybe I should stop seeking and be what I am
. The Ego does all tricks to delay this process. It cheats by persuading to wait for this moment.

Apparently I am not going to understand, what is awareness & consciousness by "thinking about them".
You are always right. If you think you wont understand you wont. If you think you can, You will understand. Get beyond the words and understand what it means. This dialogue also appears in the movie.

So in short, the discussion didn't really solved anything for me. But, I didn't really joined there only to get answers for myself. If even one person who reads the discussion get some relief from their problems, I would be happy for being a cause.

Exactly, when we start to live not for our Ego self, but for the higher Self... everything will be unfolded. Till then it is only a never ending waiting period with depression and frustrations......smith's world.

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Neo was told , he was the one, by Morpheus and Oracle. They were mere words for him. But he self experienced it when he did action beyond his body Self. Inspite of Trinity's words, he went to sacrifice himself to rescue Morpheus. Then he self experienced the power to stop bullets.

Conclusion: In Spiritual tradition, Self realization (not intellectual realization) happens, when one lives beyond for one's own Self, but for the Global Community Self.

We find real-selves when we totally transform our ego-self to Selftual (e.g:sacrifice)

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Consciousness and Energy 7 years 2 months ago #1790

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What caused the separation/creation/formation of energy from consciousness? Was it an accident that tore them apart? Now energy wants to lapse back to consciousness.

This is the most FAQ and also again five levels of answers are given for each level.

Body: There is no energy and Consciousness. It is all a superstition.
Mind: God is Consciousness and God wanted to create man and all beings (Energy). (There is no reason why God did creation, felt bored?).

Intelligence
Quantum fluccuations. What caused flucuations, another fluccation. what caused another flucation. Another flucuation is the reason. (Never ending answer)

Self-Awareness The Consciousness wanted to Self experienced itself as Energy. Why shouldnt or why-not Consciousness Self experience itself in form?

Consciousness
Consciousness is Absolute and Energy is "Relatively-Apparent" (As though appearing). It is the five senses projects the Consciousness as Energy....Adi-Sankara's Answer explained as Snake and Rope in Matrix Book- Journey to the Source.

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You state " Consciousness is Absolute and Energy is "Relatively-Apparent" (As though appearing). It is the five senses projects the Consciousness as Energy"

Now aren't the 5 sense themselves energy? Coz they are of this material or energy world. Could you pls explain the paradox? Or how the 5 senses originated
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Thanks for this paradoxical question. When Consciousness is conditioned, it manifests as Energy. This Energy undergoes changes. The senses originate along with the Energy manifestation and reflect the same manifesting qualities of Energy changes. Hearing sense has the spatial expansive quality, touch has the vibrational or localizing quality. Sight is fiery or interacting quality, taste is transformational and smell is stabilizing quality.

So senses are really Energy manifesting qualities and tend to project Consciousness as Energy only, because Senses are themselves in Energy levels. So to realize Consciousness, then one has to transcend the Sensual qualities to "Experience" unconditional- Consciousness.

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"When Consciousness is conditioned, it manifests as Energy"

I want to know what is trigger that causes consciousness to manifest.
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We see the Truth as we are. If you are person of Self experiencing, you will realize that the "Trigger" for Consciousness to manifest was to Self experience itself.

Is it accidental, something else.

It is not accidental or some any other external trigger (nothing exist, other than Consciousness).

So we have consciousness all prevailing and eternal why does senses and energy manifestation have to happen t all? What is the purpose?

It is like a person in Florida going to Hawaii. He is also in seashore and enjoying the Sea. Why then he has to go to Hawaii?. It is for an experience.

Energy and senses manifested to enjoy externally (creating a duality). We create vaccation and go to Hawaii sea shore and landscape external to our home. Same logic.

Consciousness could have stayed consciousness eternally. If we are to go back to that state for true awareness or realization why bother emerging from it in the first place? Or were we forced to move away from our original state

After vaccation we anyway have to come to Florida. Then why in first place go to Hawaii?. We are not forced to go visit Hawaii, it is our own personal choice. Same way there was no force in Consciousness...it was a self decision.

You will understand it crystal clear if you dwell deep into this vaccation concept with the broader view.

More to the Story of Vaccation.
Going to Hawaii is not free, it requires energy (cash). Also staying also requires Energy (Cash). Energy is transformed in the process. Meaning your wallet is getting thinner each day. After a certain time, you need cash to survive.

This is the pity........(suffering). The place where you came to enjoy you start to work for survival. You cannot go back home (where you stinking wealthy) because you need money to go back (pay airlines).

This is the condition on Consciousness and Energy. Consciousness because Energy and was out of home. To get back home it needs Energy. But the live is cyclical suffering because Energy is deficient for survival or even to get back home.

We are trapped. But getting back Home is possible. Nobody, other than our-self alone can help to get back home. Our mind always wants a free ride, waiting for somebody to get home. But the reality is different.

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